Casey Newton

Follow the conversation where it leads you.

When the bell rings, reflect upon the path of attention you have followed, then switch roles and repeat.

That's funny.

Yeah.

But it's not like it seems like the vibe of the attention school is not just like a gym for your mind.

It's not like I am going to learn to pay attention again if I have lost that ability.

It's like they're really trying to form some kind of political activist movement out of this.

Tell us about that piece of it.

Like what do they want beyond like these individuals, 40 people in a room reclaiming their own attention?

Like what do they want to accomplish in the world at large?

I think it's where we're at.

Like I think what is interesting to me about this is that I think the – I'm not sure whether attention school is the right solution, but the problem seems real.

Like I don't know many people who are like feeling great about their relationship with technology these days.

Yeah.

And even the people, you know, who work in tech or are, you know, sort of early adopters of all this stuff.

Like, I think there's a visceral sense that, like, this is not how I like to live.

And for many people, I think that's just going to be something that they deal with by, like, locking their phone in a box or putting on their screen time alerts or whatever sort of brute force method they use.

But it seems like this is a more sort of robust way of, like, trying to retrain yourself, not just...

sort of fix the short-term problem in front of you.

Is that a good way of looking at it?