Catherine Austin Fitts

Has anyone attempted to do any of that?

Can I ask just quick about Massey?

He's obviously gotten into a very personal altercation with the president ongoing.

There's the question of AIPAC.

He was one of the few people who didn't take AIPAC money.

But the all out effort to destroy him, I just feel like there's something more than just getting in a tiff with Trump for not taking impact money.

The off-grid part.

Yeah, what's happened is so sad.

It's hard to believe.

It's one of the finest people I've ever met in Washington.

And it's just gone in this direction that's not helping anybody.

Well, you know, I tend to have a pretty shallow analysis.

So when I say it's helping no one, I'm not confident it's helping no one.

I agree with that.

None of us wanted any of these fights, actually.

Right.

I think it's fair to say he didn't really want these fights either.

How does dual citizenship go to the heart of secret governance?

At the most obvious level, you can be indicted for a crime in the United States and flee to the other country whose passport you hold.

Dozens and dozens and dozens and dozens of them, not just a few.