Catherine Austin Fitts

We had a high profile example of this recently, but it's been going on a really long time.

That's the most shocking kind of way.

Wait, how do you get to, you know, try to molest a child and then flee to our closest ally and stay safe?

But you're saying that this same principle applies to financial crimes and governance.

Tell me what that means.

So big picture, the takeaway from my perspective from the Epstein cursory reading of two million pages is that there's a government or a governance structure above governments.

And they don't seem directly tied to any particular country.

They're sort of above countries.

Can I just ask you a question that occurs?

So if China's economy is now bigger than the United States's, clearly China is going to be...

At some point, likely the dominant world power.

I don't necessarily believe that.

You don't?

No.

Okay.

Well, the nature of the Chinese government and civilizations seem to make it kind of impervious to this sort of stuff.

Like China's an ethnostate.

Right.

A Han Chinese ethnostate.

So I don't think they're going to be doing a lot of...