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Catherine Rampell

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842 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

So I don't know that that per se means it's a bubble.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

Maybe this time is different, as people like to say, but it certainly doesn't look great.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

And...

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

I just don't know how much longer it can be sustainable, particularly if this war keeps going, if you keep on having these kinds of disruptions, not only in energy markets, but in fertilizer, in plastics, in aluminum, in almost anything that you can imagine.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

But now that said, if you look at the actual like hard economic data, not the market data, but what's happening to consumer spending or investment, it's not like it's falling off a cliff.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

It's not great, but it's sort of like chugging along.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

The job numbers that we got last week,

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

they were fine.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

They were actually better than expected, but they still weren't spectacular.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

There have been a bunch of big layoff announcements since then.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

I think, who was it?

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

Walmart announced that they were going to be laying off a bunch of people.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

Goodyear Tires, they're closing a plan, but I think it's closing next year.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

So there have been a bunch of

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

big corporate layoff announcements, like, you know, how that shakes out relative to other kinds of job growth, I don't know.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

But basically, the economy has not imploded, which is good, but it's still at odds.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

It's okay, whereas stock markets are...

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

booming.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

And the thing that I worry about is that, well, A, markets are just too ebullient, like they're too Pollyanna-ish, and that B, the actual economy is just like one more little shock away from a really bad crash.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Robert Garcia: China Is Starting to Eclipse the U.S.

We're not there yet, but it seems like there's enough fragility in the underlying economy that I'm worried about it.