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Catherine Rampell

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
570 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

Because the Fed is supposed to both promote stable prices and maximum employment, and tariffs make both of those

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

harder.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

And the thing you would do if you're the Fed to address one of those problems is the opposite of the thing you would do to address the other one of those problems, specifically that if you care about inflation, you would raise interest rates.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

If you care about stagnation, you would cut interest rates.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

So they're in this really tricky situation where they're

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

You know, they're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

Donald Trump obviously wants them to do take one of those paths, which is to cut interest rates, which they have been doing.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

He wants them to cut even more.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

But as you point out, the real risk there is if they do what he wants, which is to like ratchet rates down to zero or one percent, you could have a huge burst in inflation.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

But that's going to be the story of the next year.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

I think that he's going to be really tussling with the Fed.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

He's, you know,

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

We can talk about this if you want, but he's trying to put some kind of sycophant on the Fed board as the new chair to replace Jay Powell.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

We'll see who he ends up choosing.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

But he's also probably trying to plant other more pliable people into the other Fed positions.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

Well, it's especially not going to get fixed if they keep on doing things to break it further.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

Like, it is true that Donald Trump came in promising something that he could never deliver, which was to lower prices.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

That is not something a president can do, at least not at the aggregate price level.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

If the overall price level in the United States were actually falling, if we were experiencing deflation, that would mean the economy is very sick, like that's what happened during the Great Depression.

The Bulwark Podcast
Catherine Rampell and Michael Steinberger: Trump Wants to Cook the Books

He can't deliver that.