Catie Edmondson

They're really counting on that instinct kicking in and on President Trump engaging and negotiating some kind of deal with them.

I think that's one potential off-ramp.

I think there's another potential off-ramp, which I think is not palatable to Democrats at this moment in time, but could be down the road in which they agree to reopen government at the same time they get a vote on Trump.

the ACA subsidies that they know will fail.

And then they can say, we voted for this, we tried to do this, and then campaign on that in the midterms.

Yeah, exactly.

And that's why I think a lot of Democrats think that that would be an unpalatable option right now down the road, particularly if we start to see some of those painful impacts kick in.

I think that could maybe change.

But I do think there are a number of off-ramps here that are quite obvious, frankly.

And it's just that no one is interested in taking them right now.

I mean, I think a lot of people view Thanksgiving as being a potential inflection point because of travel, the air traffic controllers.

But right now, I don't know.

Hey, Michael.

Hey, Michael.

Thanks for having me.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, that's right. I mean, look, I think there was behind the scenes for weeks now a lot of quiet agonizing over how to counter the Trump administration. And that sort of quiet agonizing turned into very public anger this week. And it all burst out into the open this week when Senator Chuck Schumer made a judgment call, essentially, about the best way to combat the Trump administration right now.

Yeah, that's right. I mean, look, I think there was behind the scenes for weeks now a lot of quiet agonizing over how to counter the Trump administration. And that sort of quiet agonizing turned into very public anger this week. And it all burst out into the open this week when Senator Chuck Schumer made a judgment call, essentially, about the best way to combat the Trump administration right now.

And immediately that decision faced blowback from sort of all corners of the Democratic Party.

And immediately that decision faced blowback from sort of all corners of the Democratic Party.