Catriona Lowry

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Yeah, firstly, I have to say it's so lovely to hear those two gentlemen speaking.

It's informed, it's gentle, it's empathetic to the wildlife and to the cats.

and acknowledging their instinct and their instinct is to anything that's flying is to go after it.

And secondly, I want to acknowledge a group of people that we often don't recognize.

There are cat rescues out there.

There's individuals taking on a lot of trapping and neutering of cats.

Every cat...

you neuter, you are preventing 180 kittens coming from that one cat.

Because when you think of them reproducing a litter after litter and they going on to have more kittens.

So I suppose, Karen, it's a group of people we often don't hear highlighted enough.

And it's really connected to this subject that the people who late at night, including myself, that sit by traps,

waiting for a feral cat to go in to neuter them.

So to prevent, the more cats we neuter, the more wildlife we are saving.

And that is key.

And when you say, is it about education?

Totally.

But there's a mindset out there that is so rigid that, like, I know my friend, she has a cat sanctuary on Cottove.

She has told people, they will bring the kittens to her.

But she says, bring me your cat.