Catt Small

And then I also had a lot of understanding of how games worked.

And then essentially as I built my career in design, I've also been building like a partial career in the gaming industry.

So I've done a bunch of things on the gaming side.

I've made my own games that have been shown in different museums.

and at different shows.

I've also taught people to make games.

I currently organize a conference that actually celebrates the creativity of game developers of color in particular.

That's been running for like 10 years.

And then yeah, I have my 16 year career as a digital product designer at this point.

And yeah, it's really been fun to kind of balance all of those things.

Oh, that's so wonderful.

Thank you.

I do think that, I mean, I guess underpinning all of it is I'm just so fascinated by people and like,

how they think and how they work.

And so a lot of, I mean, even the book itself is something that I wrote because I wanted to understand, you know, how everybody kind of thinks about this role.

And I think a lot of my work, my games are definitely like a reflection of

um kind of my own lived experience and a lot of the things that i write on my blog are very much that as well so i think i'm you know i'm often putting myself out there to kind of see you know what resonates with other people how do other people think about this and i just want to have a conversation with everybody so um yeah that's why i also really like public speaking i think that you know you kind of put a signal out there and then kind of see

Yeah, I remember feeling like there might be a gap while I was working at Etsy.

I saw a couple of people in this position and I really admired their work.

I want to call out specifically my now friend, Jessica Harley.