Cecilia Muñoz

It's how we're going about trying to accomplish it. To lay the predicate for... That frame that I was talking about, like Democrats need to own the, we're the ones who know how to fix challenging problems. These guys create chaos and harm and they harm really vulnerable people that most of the country, I hope, believes we shouldn't be harming.

It's how we're going about trying to accomplish it. To lay the predicate for... That frame that I was talking about, like Democrats need to own the, we're the ones who know how to fix challenging problems. These guys create chaos and harm and they harm really vulnerable people that most of the country, I hope, believes we shouldn't be harming.

But we have to lean in and we have to be prepared to say that the goal that the American people want, which is an orderly and fair system, is legit.

But we have to lean in and we have to be prepared to say that the goal that the American people want, which is an orderly and fair system, is legit.

Yes, and try to force us into a position of appearing to make the argument that no one should ever be deported, ever. And that's not good policy. It's not where the public is, and it's not where we should be either. But you're right that it will require, I think, discipline to not have this debate on Donald Trump's terms, but to swing the debate back to our terms.

Yes, and try to force us into a position of appearing to make the argument that no one should ever be deported, ever. And that's not good policy. It's not where the public is, and it's not where we should be either. But you're right that it will require, I think, discipline to not have this debate on Donald Trump's terms, but to swing the debate back to our terms.

Because we need to win elections, and we need to get this policy challenge addressed.

Because we need to win elections, and we need to get this policy challenge addressed.

Yeah. No, it's an enormous challenge. It's not a short-term thing. We're not going to fix this in the short term because Congress is a catastrophe. I think it starts with having a vision for what needs to happen and being able to persuade the American public that that's the right vision. Look, I think we have, honestly, the debate is happening around the extremes.

Yeah. No, it's an enormous challenge. It's not a short-term thing. We're not going to fix this in the short term because Congress is a catastrophe. I think it starts with having a vision for what needs to happen and being able to persuade the American public that that's the right vision. Look, I think we have, honestly, the debate is happening around the extremes.

And I think the public really wants there to be a center. And we need to provide it for starters. And create the momentum so that it's safe for Democrats to have a conversation about enforcement and safe for at least some number of Republicans to have a conversation about the kind of immigration system that we want to have.

And I think the public really wants there to be a center. And we need to provide it for starters. And create the momentum so that it's safe for Democrats to have a conversation about enforcement and safe for at least some number of Republicans to have a conversation about the kind of immigration system that we want to have.

I fear that we are now in a situation where the kind of permission structure to allow us to get to that conversation requires that we successfully manage the situation at the border. I think... I think that is true now in a way that was not true a decade ago when, you know, in the Obama years when we passed immigration comprehensive reform through the Senate.

I fear that we are now in a situation where the kind of permission structure to allow us to get to that conversation requires that we successfully manage the situation at the border. I think... I think that is true now in a way that was not true a decade ago when, you know, in the Obama years when we passed immigration comprehensive reform through the Senate.

The situation at the border was not then what it is now. And the country expects it to be addressed. So I now think that has to be kind of the primary piece. But I also think if you can be persuasive that that is manageable, and I do believe that's possible.

The situation at the border was not then what it is now. And the country expects it to be addressed. So I now think that has to be kind of the primary piece. But I also think if you can be persuasive that that is manageable, and I do believe that's possible.

then I still believe the American public is prepared to have a conversation about a pathway to permanent status for the people who are here on temporary statuses or without status at all. And even an expansion of legal immigration. I mean, the great irony is the business community knows we need immigrants. They know we need more of them.

then I still believe the American public is prepared to have a conversation about a pathway to permanent status for the people who are here on temporary statuses or without status at all. And even an expansion of legal immigration. I mean, the great irony is the business community knows we need immigrants. They know we need more of them.

It's not just that we will be cooking our own goose economically if we deport people who are here now. It's that we're going to need more generous immigration for the long term. And the business community knows it. They're just terrified of saying anything out loud. So we need to make it safe again to have this conversation. But I think...

It's not just that we will be cooking our own goose economically if we deport people who are here now. It's that we're going to need more generous immigration for the long term. And the business community knows it. They're just terrified of saying anything out loud. So we need to make it safe again to have this conversation. But I think...