Cecilia Steyn
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275 appearances
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first heard Nov 2024
last heard Nov 2024
Cecilia Steyn’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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Well, because you've got to get the information so no one else is around. Meanwhile, in a risky attempt to get James Vermock fully on board, Cecilia bragged to him about how she got Zach to murder Pastor Reg Ben Dixon with an axe. Zach then said, oh yeah, I totally murdered that guy with an axe.
This confession, however, had the opposite effect on James Vermont.
Yeah, it freaked him the fuck out.
We're killing people. Yep. Vermak, however, did not go to the police immediately because he, like many people in these types of realities, was able to hold two opposing ideas in his head at the same time. He believed Cecilia when she said that the police were working for her, so he couldn't go to them for that reason.
But he also believed that the police were working for the satanic church, meaning that he thought he had nowhere to go with the information he was given. So after calming down and realizing that he would die if he pushed back any further, he pretended like he was gung ho for the murder of Joshua Grunewald while also trying to figure out how to escape the cult.
Yeah.
Yeah. Just fucking keep driving. But the problem with that was with these people in this worldview is that they believe that they can get you anywhere. No matter where you go, they're going to be able to find you and they're going to get you.
Well, no. But you're applying logic to this thing. You can't apply logic to this thing at all. To none of this. It's cognitive dissonance at its best. They're holding a bunch of opposing ideas in their head that don't make any... I think it's cognitive dissonance at its worst.
Well, as far as why he was spending less time with Electus Perdeus, Vermak told Cecilia that he was really just under a lot of pressure at work.
Yeah. He said he had to concentrate on that for the time being instead of their holy war against Satan. Hey, you know. Finally, though, Zach approached James and asked him if he was in or out regarding the murder of Joss Grunewald, telling Zach quite explicitly that if he was out, he was going to end up like Michaela. Cecilia then told him the exact same thing.
In way too deep, James said, sure, totally in for murder. Just say when. I'll move the numbers meeting to Friday. Yeah. Behind their backs, though, James confided to a friend from work named Justice Ramashia about the whole situation and asked him how he thought they could prevent Joshua's murder, not to mention his own.
Justice, who's an incredible work friend. Yeah, that is a very trusted co-worker. He came up with a plan. Now, it's a little confusing, but James Vermaak.
It does seem so. It's the fourth highest murder rate in the world. Now, it's a little confusing, but James Vermont convinced Electus Perdeus that because his friend Justice was an undocumented immigrant, he could be the one to kill Joshua Grumwald. And then he'd just disappear. And Zach agreed.
Entirely foreign. Zach agreed, but when he gave Justice the gun and a payout, Justice just disappeared and nobody got killed.
Take the money and run. Good for you, dude. Way to go, man. Weirdly though, Cecilia didn't immediately follow up on the plan to kill Joshua. Instead, they just sort of sat on it.
I like his name. It's like you trust people and just... Break your heart. Break your heart. Every time. But them sitting on it gave James the time to build up the courage to finally go to the police. He told them everything he knew, which included direct confessions to multiple murders and two credible threats for future murders. And so James was set up with a wire.
And next time he visited the cult, he recorded not only full confessions to the murders of Natasha Berger, Joy Boonsayer, Regbin Dixon, and Michaela Valentine, but also the future plan to one day get around to maybe killing Josh Grunewald.
Good work, Marcus. You know, you'd think that would be the end of the story, that James would return to the cops with the recordings and the Electus Perdeus cult will be arrested immediately. And bing, bang, boom. We got this weird story of a Christian cult who pretended to be Satanist and killed four people. Oh, my God. What a great series. But that's not at all what happened.
See, James Vermaak and his girlfriend Amber Dupree's were placed into witness protection. And Joshua Grunewald was contacted by the National Occult Unit and warned about a Satanist plot to kill him, albeit two weeks after James Vermaak turned in the tapes. They had to go through a lot of tapes. Yeah. Yeah.
But we do know that the information did make it through some pipeline because Joshua Grunewald was warned and he did move away as a result. And the other two were put into witness protection. Paperwork had to be filled up for that. Yeah. And later, police officers would claim that they had infiltrated the cult after they got the tapes. But there is no evidence of this claim at all.
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