Chad Abumrad

Why? What stalled it?

Why? What stalled it?

Wait, so back it up a second. What exactly did RBG do?

Wait, so back it up a second. What exactly did RBG do?

Yes. To discriminate based on race, you need to pass a really super hard test.

Yes. To discriminate based on race, you need to pass a really super hard test.

So RBG gets involved in this beer case? Yes. But this is a situation where women have rights men don't have. Why would she want to argue this case? I would imagine she'd want the opposite.

So RBG gets involved in this beer case? Yes. But this is a situation where women have rights men don't have. Why would she want to argue this case? I would imagine she'd want the opposite.

Wow, that's clever.

Wow, that's clever.

More Perfect continues in a minute. This is More Perfect. I'm Jad Abumrad here with Julie Galongoria, who's telling us the story of a case involving boys in beer that became a kind of Trojan horse. in the battle for women's rights. Now, the story of the Trojan horse, maybe you know this. It's ancient Greece. You've got Sparta fighting Troy.

More Perfect continues in a minute. This is More Perfect. I'm Jad Abumrad here with Julie Galongoria, who's telling us the story of a case involving boys in beer that became a kind of Trojan horse. in the battle for women's rights. Now, the story of the Trojan horse, maybe you know this. It's ancient Greece. You've got Sparta fighting Troy.

The Spartans want to get into the city of Troy, but it's this giant walled city. Too big. They can't get in. And so Odysseus comes up with this clever plan. We'll give the Trojans this giant wooden horse. They'll bring it into their city. They'll think it's a gift that we're retreating, which is what they thought. And then at night, our soldiers who are hidden inside the horse will come out.

The Spartans want to get into the city of Troy, but it's this giant walled city. Too big. They can't get in. And so Odysseus comes up with this clever plan. We'll give the Trojans this giant wooden horse. They'll bring it into their city. They'll think it's a gift that we're retreating, which is what they thought. And then at night, our soldiers who are hidden inside the horse will come out.

And they will take the city. Now, in our case, Odysseus is RBG. The city she's trying to get into is the all-male Supreme Court. But in order for this very admittedly imperfect analogy to work, we need someone in the horse to come out, the warrior in the horse, the woman warrior.

And they will take the city. Now, in our case, Odysseus is RBG. The city she's trying to get into is the all-male Supreme Court. But in order for this very admittedly imperfect analogy to work, we need someone in the horse to come out, the warrior in the horse, the woman warrior.

Julia, you take it from here.

Julia, you take it from here.

What does she look like? Describe her.

What does she look like? Describe her.

And how does Carolyn connect to the case with the frat boys and RBG?

And how does Carolyn connect to the case with the frat boys and RBG?

Well, you win some, you lose some, right, ladies?

Well, you win some, you lose some, right, ladies?

Okay.

Okay.

Wait, you're saying she somehow managed to get herself in the court on another case on the same day?

Wait, you're saying she somehow managed to get herself in the court on another case on the same day?

What happened to Caroline in the end?

What happened to Caroline in the end?

And when you said she didn't know the effect her case had for decades, when did she figure it out? How?

And when you said she didn't know the effect her case had for decades, when did she figure it out? How?

This is More Perfect. I'm Chad Abumrad. Today, a story from our producer, Julia Longoria.

This is More Perfect. I'm Chad Abumrad. Today, a story from our producer, Julia Longoria.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And what kind of change is the kind that will stick? Today's story is about a time in the not-so-distant past when there was a similarly loud, raucous division in our country over sexual equality. And one woman... Quietly... Strategically... Laid the foundation for real change.

And what kind of change is the kind that will stick? Today's story is about a time in the not-so-distant past when there was a similarly loud, raucous division in our country over sexual equality. And one woman... Quietly... Strategically... Laid the foundation for real change.

Here we are. I'm going to ask you an utterly false question, which is where would you like to start? As if we haven't been doing this for so damn long.

Here we are. I'm going to ask you an utterly false question, which is where would you like to start? As if we haven't been doing this for so damn long.

Bring it.

Bring it.

Oh. That's interesting. Six? I'm guessing. What's the answer?

Oh. That's interesting. Six? I'm guessing. What's the answer?

Really?

Really?

That's the only time?

That's the only time?

Is there a sex word that's not sex, like gender or something, something?

Is there a sex word that's not sex, like gender or something, something?

Is there like ladies in the Constitution? Women?

Is there like ladies in the Constitution? Women?

There was nothing that said that? I mean, not those words explicitly, but there was nothing that says you can't discriminate?

There was nothing that said that? I mean, not those words explicitly, but there was nothing that says you can't discriminate?

Why? What stalled it?

Wait, so back it up a second. What exactly did RBG do?

Yes. To discriminate based on race, you need to pass a really super hard test.

So RBG gets involved in this beer case? Yes. But this is a situation where women have rights men don't have. Why would she want to argue this case? I would imagine she'd want the opposite.

Wow, that's clever.

More Perfect continues in a minute. This is More Perfect. I'm Jad Abumrad here with Julie Galongoria, who's telling us the story of a case involving boys in beer that became a kind of Trojan horse. in the battle for women's rights. Now, the story of the Trojan horse, maybe you know this. It's ancient Greece. You've got Sparta fighting Troy.

The Spartans want to get into the city of Troy, but it's this giant walled city. Too big. They can't get in. And so Odysseus comes up with this clever plan. We'll give the Trojans this giant wooden horse. They'll bring it into their city. They'll think it's a gift that we're retreating, which is what they thought. And then at night, our soldiers who are hidden inside the horse will come out.

And they will take the city. Now, in our case, Odysseus is RBG. The city she's trying to get into is the all-male Supreme Court. But in order for this very admittedly imperfect analogy to work, we need someone in the horse to come out, the warrior in the horse, the woman warrior.

Julia, you take it from here.

What does she look like? Describe her.

And how does Carolyn connect to the case with the frat boys and RBG?

Well, you win some, you lose some, right, ladies?

Okay.

Wait, you're saying she somehow managed to get herself in the court on another case on the same day?

What happened to Caroline in the end?

And when you said she didn't know the effect her case had for decades, when did she figure it out? How?

This is More Perfect. I'm Chad Abumrad. Today, a story from our producer, Julia Longoria.

Yeah.

And what kind of change is the kind that will stick? Today's story is about a time in the not-so-distant past when there was a similarly loud, raucous division in our country over sexual equality. And one woman... Quietly... Strategically... Laid the foundation for real change.

Here we are. I'm going to ask you an utterly false question, which is where would you like to start? As if we haven't been doing this for so damn long.

Bring it.

Oh. That's interesting. Six? I'm guessing. What's the answer?

Really?

That's the only time?

Is there a sex word that's not sex, like gender or something, something?

Is there like ladies in the Constitution? Women?

There was nothing that said that? I mean, not those words explicitly, but there was nothing that says you can't discriminate?