Charles Bethea

He uses phrases like holding space, which is a much more, you know, modern therapeutic kind of term than you'd expect to come out of a former Marine's mouth.

So I was ready for him to complicate things a bit.

Yeah, so here again, kind of the headline for what he's offering sounds a lot like what some of these more, I would argue, toxic programs are offering, which is they describe it as the opportunity for men to un-F their lives.

And so what does that mean?

I mean, that means...

different things depending on who's running the program.

But for King, it means the men show up.

And let me describe the men, if I can, these guys.

There were about 10 of them.

They came from a variety of backgrounds.

I expected them to be all white.

There was a little diversity in the group.

There were IT guys.

There were sales guys.

There were blue-collar workers.

There was an unemployed man.

He'd had to, I think, borrow or even get a gift of $3,000 from one of the other attendees to enable to afford to attend.

So these were not guys who were all Silicon Valley types by any means.

So this man I'll describe, James is this guy.

He's in his 50s.