Charles Homans

Have you accepted the explanation that he died by suicide?

I have.

I think that, you know, at this point, it is the rational way to look at what we know about this case and what we are likely to know about this case.

I think there are a lot of unknowns that are going to remain unknowns.

But the bottom line is that whatever reason there is to think that other things could have happened, there is simply not the evidence necessary to stand up a convincing alternate explanation of how he died.

I think that's right.

I mean, the government can do different things to breed suspicion.

It doesn't have to just act nefariously.

It can act indifferently.

And I think in this case, just the inattention to the management of this jail breeds anger and breeds suspicion.

And I think in the case of Epstein, what's remarkable about his death is that you can point to all these different factors that enabled him to kill himself ultimately.

And it's really hard to find any of those that weren't an issue at this jail long before Epstein even walked in the door.

That's right.

And one of the kind of remarkable things about this whole case is that in a weird way, Epstein's death sort of shone a light on all these really chronic failures of this institution.

Things that people much less famous than Epstein had been enduring for years before this in some cases.

And in a perverse way, something that Epstein's death did was really kind of highlight some of these really chronic issues in this jail that a less high-profile inmate would not have called nearly so much media attention to.

And this jail actually was closed down not long after this, in part because of all these chronic problems there.

MCC is no longer operational.

MCC is no longer operational.

And there was documented concern from the Bureau of Prisons that people who were working and staying in this jail were actually at risk.