Charlie Mackesy

I don't think it was.

What was the darkest?

If we could tap into... That they stay with me.

I have memories that they're there.

They're dark moments where, you know, things catch up with you.

Things you've been running from.

And it causes this.

Well, I think, you know, there was some, like when I was a boy at that boarding school, there were some dark things that went on.

And then losing friends and

I think we all have periods which are extremely difficult and cause us to go into dark places.

And we don't know what to do when we're in them.

And sometimes I'm not even sure we actually recognize we're in them.

We're just fighting to stick, to stay.

And we eat cake or whatever it is that's helping.

It's often in retrospect where you go, whoa, that was...

that was hard or we're talking to a friend and we find ourselves talking fast and we start getting emotional tears pour and we don't even we didn't even know it was there no and i think a lot of our lives are spent with things going on that we're not hugely aware of you know or they can be real like cancer or whatever it is we're suffering that's obvious but there's other stuff

that we're processing from long ago that's deep within us, deep.

We all have it.

And so I suppose I can't put a finger on it and say that was the darkest time of my life.

But there have been times when I've been aware of it