Charlie Van Kirk
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1,326 appearances
5 recordings
2 series
first heard May 2026
last heard 12 Aug
Charlie Van Kirk’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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They're like true designer builders.
He didn't even like to call himself an architect because he wasn't formally trained in that way.
When I sat down with Roger Warren, who is the president of Kiowa,
before i even press record on the tape he said i hope that whatever conversations you're having about pete are also about alison i assured him that that was in fact the case they had a really interesting partnership and by all accounts a very strong marriage and she was a killer in her own right as a golfer and as a design partner i'm not sure
How much that was publicized in the moment kind of depends on the outlet, but she's a super interesting character.
We're going to dive into her as well.
I talked to one of his shapers who started working with Pete when Pete was in his 70s, and Abe Wilson, the shaper, was in his 20s, and he said that Pete ran him ragged.
So, yeah, just boundless.
Yeah, the more people that I talk to about him and the more that I even read his book that Barry Mina Potbunker, as you mentioned, that was written with Mark Shaw, the more he contained multitudes in the sense that he had this self-deprecation, was not afraid to admit when he got something wrong, which is a very endearing quality, but he was confident as fuck about the stuff that he made.
There were some there are some news clippings that like this is this might be this not only might be this is probably certainly the greatest golf course ever.
Like there are some quotes like I just made something great and I know it.
But he he held these two things at once.
And I think that's kind of a fun thing.
quality about him.
Yeah, a lot of choosing the 10 for me was...
which courses or the which courses had the most interesting stories behind them you know i a number of these courses on this list you could make multiple documentaries about just the the generational multi-generational sagas that that took place it's hard to build a golf course it's expensive there are a lot of characters there are changes of ownership there's complex histories so i looked for some of the juicy bits there and also for some consensus
opinions uh from folks who know more about golf course architecture than i do as to what were the most important and influential of his his analysis massive output uh so just confirming no old head no old head in this no good question uh oh and the courses will go in chronological order not any sort of order of importance we're just going straight down the calendar okay
Yeah.
In addition to the firsthand interviews that I did, Solly's 91 Ryder Cup deep dive was fantastic.
There are a couple of other pieces of media by other folks in the golf world, one of whom is Eric Anders Lang did an interview with the man himself with Pete in, I think it was 2012 or 2013 before his health started to deteriorate.
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