Charlie Van Kirk

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1,326 appearances 5 recordings 2 series first heard May 2026 last heard 12 Aug

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No Laying Up - Golf Podcast · 1164: Pete Dye Deep Dive Part 1 · 27 May 2026 podcast

They were talking back and forth because they had built up a bit of rapport.

So Pete, for example, asked Jack what he thought of the 188 yard par three third hole, which played across a pond to a circular green surrounded by some symmetrically arrayed rocks and wood planking.

You'll be shocked to learn

Jack, in a very goodwill hunting moment, said, Pete, that's the ugliest hole I've ever seen in my life.

It's like the ugliest fucking car I've ever seen in my life.

So Pete changed the hole, and he built a gigantic three-level bunker on the left-hand side and used a bunch of railroad ties for bulkheading after Jack's suggestion.

The reason, well, Pete joked that the reason they didn't get into business together, we'll go into this a little more in our next chapter too, is that Jack wanted to make money building golf courses and Pete didn't.

So Mr. Jones invited Alice out to offer her opinion of the course.

And she told Fred that she believed that Pete had done a better job than she ever would have thought possible, which is a nice backhanded compliment to start things off.

But to use her exact words, the first hole was undoubtedly the worst starting hole in golf.

Uh, and Pete says much to my chagrin, Alice was right.

Uh, she describes her reasoning in the, the golf clubs historical book that I got a copy of, which is by the way, just like a sick black leather bound book with the, the buck on the inside cover.

It's, it's pretty cool book.

Uh,

The quote from that is, Fred didn't want to take out all those wonderful old beach trees from the right side of the fairway, but you had no shot with them there.

The hole has an elevated T, and Black Lake Creek cuts diagonally across it.

That's one crossing, DJ.

Before the dogleg right up to the green.

There are huge traps on the right side after the dogleg, but because of the trees, you couldn't even see them if you wanted to cut the creek.

You couldn't see the traps because of the trees.

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