Charlie Van Kirk
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1,326 appearances
5 recordings
2 series
first heard May 2026
last heard 12 Aug
Charlie Van Kirk’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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We'll get into some stories there.
So he was like a true chops buster and a storyteller, but provocateur in the design sense.
He loved to get you thinking about the wrong things and pull your eyes into the wrong places.
His whole ethos was, let's figure it out in the dirt.
This is not the guy you called if you wanted a set of plans in advance.
Full stop, really.
He was famous for throwing out any plans that he did draw.
He self-proclaimed didn't know how to draw.
His preferred method of drawing was literally sculpting mounds of dirt and sand, little scale models when he was out on site.
You go down here and build me a bathtub there or build me a waste bunker that's about this size and let's physically drag my muddy boots in the dirt to illustrate what I'm talking about.
And a lot of the guys who worked for him have adopted that sort of ethos, even if some of them draw more plans than Pete did.
They're like true designer builders.
He didn't even like to call himself an architect because he wasn't formally trained in that way.
When I sat down with Roger Warren, who is the president of Kiowa,
before i even press record on the tape he said i hope that whatever conversations you're having about pete are also about alison i assured him that that was in fact the case they had a really interesting partnership and by all accounts a very strong marriage and she was a killer in her own right as a golfer and as a design partner i'm not sure
How much that was publicized in the moment kind of depends on the outlet, but she's a super interesting character.
We're going to dive into her as well.
I talked to one of his shapers who started working with Pete when Pete was in his 70s, and Abe Wilson, the shaper, was in his 20s, and he said that Pete ran him ragged.
So, yeah, just boundless.
Yeah, the more people that I talk to about him and the more that I even read his book that Barry Mina Potbunker, as you mentioned, that was written with Mark Shaw, the more he contained multitudes in the sense that he had this self-deprecation, was not afraid to admit when he got something wrong, which is a very endearing quality, but he was confident as fuck about the stuff that he made.
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