Charlie Van Kirk

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No Laying Up - Golf Podcast · 1164: Pete Dye Deep Dive Part 1 · 27 May 2026 podcast

Open together at Inverness in 1957.

But a year later, they met in the semifinals of the Trans Miss Amateur Championship.

18-year-old Jack was just out driving Pete.

The hooks couldn't hang with the young buck.

Jack was blown at 30 yards by him, and he won three and two.

Jack won a day later his first amateur victory of any national repute, apparently.

And Pete was fond of saying that if I had beaten him, it would have changed the history of golf.

Just a very Pete quote.

That's right.

For sure.

But maybe my favorite Jack anecdote, he was walking the property and he was weighing in on some design ideas.

They were talking back and forth because they had built up a bit of rapport.

So Pete, for example, asked Jack what he thought of the 188 yard par three third hole, which played across a pond to a circular green surrounded by some symmetrically arrayed rocks and wood planking.

You'll be shocked to learn

Jack, in a very goodwill hunting moment, said, Pete, that's the ugliest hole I've ever seen in my life.

It's like the ugliest fucking car I've ever seen in my life.

So Pete changed the hole, and he built a gigantic three-level bunker on the left-hand side and used a bunch of railroad ties for bulkheading after Jack's suggestion.

The reason, well, Pete joked that the reason they didn't get into business together, we'll go into this a little more in our next chapter too, is that Jack wanted to make money building golf courses and Pete didn't.

So Mr. Jones invited Alice out to offer her opinion of the course.

And she told Fred that she believed that Pete had done a better job than she ever would have thought possible, which is a nice backhanded compliment to start things off.

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