Charlie Van Kirk

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No Laying Up - Golf Podcast · 1164: Pete Dye Deep Dive Part 1 · 27 May 2026 podcast

So what this let them do was acquire prime real estate for pennies on the dollar.

Was it legal?

Yes.

Was it ethical?

I'm going to go with a no on, on, on that one.

So this is not the only golf course where

sitting on on land where things like like this have happened obviously but as we're digging into like what's the back end of this course who's the developer here who's the owner here i start to do a little searching and found like pretty quickly like oh god you know it's a it's it's a messy one yeah let's get randy on the horn yeah exactly all these people behind come on charlie i just want to go ride my bike on vacation stick to stick to golf would you

The word that Pete used was unimpressive.

Once they exposed the land, the property was unimpressive.

The change in elevation between the highest and lowest points on the property was four feet.

So yeah, Pete ended up getting maybe even pigeonholed in a way to

over time become this let's make something out of nothing guy.

And he contained multitudes, as we were kind of talking about before, contradictions with the Ashok self-deprecation and his confidence.

Well, he also contained multitudes in terms of his...

infamous for his ability to receive an unlimited budget and manage to exceed it, which will come up a couple of times throughout this.

This wasn't necessarily one of those projects, but he had this utilitarianism, DJ, you were talking about earlier as well.

So at Harbortown, for example, he was proud of the fact that he spread sand and covered it with pine needles around many areas of the rough, which provided the course with the Pinehurst look that he was fond of.

decreased the amount of maintenance that was required and decreased the cost there.

That's kind of a small example, but the book is full of those things like, ah, look what I did there.

I managed to save a bunch of money on drainage by doing this or save a bunch of money on mowers by spreading pine needles over sandy areas and making them look native.

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