Charlie Youakim

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We just decided to do it and just jumped in and learn the hard way, every which way and the first company, that's for sure.

So it's a company called Passport and we did mobile payment apps.

So first of all, we had the wrong idea at the start though.

We started into parking hardware, way too hard for us with low capital.

We went into mobile payments for parking and...

Everyone thought we couldn't do it because at that time there were two big leaders, Park Mobile, Pay By Phone, that were leading the way.

And, you know, people in the parking industry were like, you guys should just give up.

And we just didn't.

We just kept on innovating and adapting.

We invented the wallet functionality.

We invented white label.

And we just worked our way up.

And that company is currently a market leader in that space.

That is a private.

It's a private.

Separate company.

Yeah.

Got it.

I moved out from that company in end of 2015 and then wanted to stay in payments because I knew payments, but I wanted to go after something bigger.