Chloe Hadjimatheou

And we get into the behind-the-scene drama of the Salt Path scandal investigation with the Observer journalist that started it all, Chloe Hadjimotheo.

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The BBC series Rick Stein in Cornwall had arranged to come and film at Hay right then, just after the publication of Landlines in the autumn of 2022.

Bill told me he was so confused and upset at this point that he couldn't bring himself to go to the farm while it was being recorded.

There was that unbelievable moment when we realised that moth's health was improving in ways we'd been told just weren't possible.

Rick Stein's Cornwall programme is unusual because it offers rare footage of moth.

I've asked for an interview from the couple countless times and they've been reluctant to engage with me.

I feel like I've got to know the public Rainer a bit because she's done hundreds of interviews, but Moth hardly ever appears in public.

That said, watching the Rick Stein footage, they both seem at ease.

In one scene, Moth squats down, picking apples from under the trees.

In another, he shows Rick how the old-fashioned cider press works.

It looks like hard work.

Turning the lever takes a lot of strength.

Raina doesn't look like she's up for the job, but Moth seems to be enjoying it.

Except it's exactly the kind of work, Bill says, the couple hadn't been doing all the time they were staying there.

And the cider Rick Stein drank on the TV?

And yet, there they are on national television pretending they've been running a cider-making business.

Then, just two weeks later, Bill gets a really surprising email out the blue.

Raina and Moth are handing in their notice.

Bill had driven to Hay one day, hoping to say goodbye, but he found the house empty.