Chris Duffy

But also you take those lessons that I know are really practical for people who are working in traditional work environments and also make it practical for people like me who are not in traditional work environments.

Well, if people are following me into the wild blue yonder, we all are doomed.

So that's my number one takeaway.

But I will take the compliment.

And let's look at this concept from your TED Talk, which is you talk about this concept called the stairs.

So can you tell me a little bit about what the stairs are and why you believe that's a career model that we should maybe have in mind as we're thinking about how our career could be going or maybe should be going?

You know, it's interesting because I think for a lot of people, especially coming right out of college or high school, right?

There's such a set vision of what success looks like, right?

You go to school, you submit your work, your work is graded.

There's a clear sense of what a successful grade is, what a failing grade is.

You got 100 on a test.

You got a 90 on a test.

You got an 80.

Those all mean really clear things.

And then

So we get into the work world and we want at least a lot of us really want that same kind of clarity of what success looks like.

Like, what is an A at my job?

What is an A plus at my job?

What's an F at my job?

And I think it's really challenging for a lot of people to realize, like, that's just not how the world outside of school works as much.