Chris Duffy

But also because I think you do such interesting work and you think about work in such an interesting way.

And especially for me, a person who's like never had a corporate job.

Right.

Like I worked in an elementary school and then I was a comedian and now podcasting like none of these are like regular traditional hierarchy.

And we are back.

We're talking with Molly Graham about how to build a great career, whether you are just starting out or you're many years in.

So I love the way that you talk about a world that is for me like largely foreign in and make it so relatable.

But also you take those lessons that I know are really practical for people who are working in traditional work environments and also make it practical for people like me who are not in traditional work environments.

Well, Molly, I'm so glad I'm getting to talk to you.

I'm not just because we are in the, you know, Ted siblings now in the podcast world.

But also because I think you do such interesting work and you think about work in such an interesting way.

Well, if people are following me into the wild blue yonder, we all are doomed.

And especially for me, a person who's like never had a corporate job.

So that's my number one takeaway.

But I will take the compliment.

Right.

Like I worked in an elementary school and then I was a comedian and now podcasting like none of these are like regular traditional hierarchy.

And let's look at this concept from your TED Talk, which is you talk about this concept called the stairs.

So can you tell me a little bit about what the stairs are and why you believe that's a career model that we should maybe have in mind as we're thinking about how our career could be going or maybe should be going?

So I love the way that you talk about a world that is for me like largely foreign in and make it so relatable.