Chris Duffy

And I know I'm guilty of that.

So what would your pitch be for why we should actually have these difficult conversations?

It was very interesting to me in your book because you talk a lot about how difficult it is to maintain curiosity and how important that is.

Because when you start to actually talk to another person, it's easy.

And I think we all, I certainly fall into this, to want to just put them in this category, which is this idea I have in my head, which is predetermined.

And the more that we get curious about people's specific situations rather than the like blanket that we think maybe they should fall into, it's harder to actually pin people down in these simple ways that make it easier to feel like we're very, very different from them.

One of the big things in your book is you're actually not about convincing people of anything.

So how do I how do I not do that?

Because I get so in the mode of I am right.

And this is morally imperative to convince people.

So how do you get past that?

I've also heard you say that we put so much emphasis on truth and journalism is this truth finding organization or institution, but we really kind of ignore the other piece, which is trust.

And we think that just by throwing enough truth at them, that will change things or change things for the society.

But we don't really have this emphasis on trust, which I think is really at the core of your book is how do you build trust amongst communities, even if we disagree?

Your book is full of like, try these, try this kind of question.

There's so many pieces of that.

And I think that one of the ones that stood out to me the most, and it's obviously the title of your book as well, but you talk about trying to get to these, I never thought of it that way moments.

You call them intuit moments in the book.

What is an intuit moment?

And what are some steps that people can take to try and get there?