Chris Duffy

I've also heard you say that we put so much emphasis on truth and journalism is this truth finding organization or institution, but we really kind of ignore the other piece, which is trust.

And we think that just by throwing enough truth at them, that will change things or change things for the society.

But we don't really have this emphasis on trust, which I think is really at the core of your book is how do you build trust amongst communities, even if we disagree?

Your book is full of like, try these, try this kind of question.

There's so many pieces of that.

And I think that one of the ones that stood out to me the most, and it's obviously the title of your book as well, but you talk about trying to get to these, I never thought of it that way moments.

You call them intuit moments in the book.

What is an intuit moment?

And what are some steps that people can take to try and get there?

It's such a challenging idea to me, right?

I am definitely in that place where I feel like my political beliefs are correct.

And so even the idea of asking people who disagree with me and not trying to convince them, it kind of feels wild.

And it feels like it feels sometimes to me like I'm in a house that is burning down and someone is like, why don't you just learn a little bit more about fire?

And, you know, it's like, OK, but the house is on fire.

It's not the time I need to start spraying water.

At a certain point, you actually address all of that head on in the book with as a comedian.

I always love like the funny moments.

And you had a very funny story about a pastor in one of these workshops who says to the organizer, like, are you trying to tell me that I should be building bridges with the devil?

And John Powell, the head of the Othering and Belonging Institute at UC Berkeley, says, well, maybe don't start there.

And I feel like maybe that is the answer to some of my concerns.