Chris Duffy

It's such a challenging idea to me, right?

I am definitely in that place where I feel like my political beliefs are correct.

And so even the idea of asking people who disagree with me and not trying to convince them, it kind of feels wild.

And it feels like it feels sometimes to me like I'm in a house that is burning down and someone is like, why don't you just learn a little bit more about fire?

And, you know, it's like, OK, but the house is on fire.

It's not the time I need to start spraying water.

At a certain point, you actually address all of that head on in the book with as a comedian.

I always love like the funny moments.

And you had a very funny story about a pastor in one of these workshops who says to the organizer, like, are you trying to tell me that I should be building bridges with the devil?

And John Powell, the head of the Othering and Belonging Institute at UC Berkeley, says, well, maybe don't start there.

And I feel like maybe that is the answer to some of my concerns.

It's like I can imagine the worst person, the most dangerous, violent person.

And I'm like, you're trying to tell me to try and understand and be curious about them.

We're going to take a quick break and then we will be right back after this.

In Monica's work as a journalist, she spent a lot of time with people who she doesn't necessarily agree with, trying her best to accurately represent their viewpoints and their stories.

That's her job.

But wow, that feels so hard to do when it is not your profession.

To me, it feels scary.

It feels overwhelming.

It often just feels impossible.