Chris Fenton
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Yeah, thanks for having me back. It's a little bit of a homecoming for us.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Yep, and I remember going to that. I think the radio station was down in Culver City back when it was just audio and then putting that whole pilot together and all that stuff. It was bringing back 30-year-old memories.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Well, you know, the book I had come out, let's see, summer of 2020. It was not too long after COVID obviously infected the world. And about a year after I did my last U.S. congressional delegation trip, we brought over three House members during the peak of the Hong Kong protests. And that was really...
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
a moment where I saw a lot of problems that we were starting to think were happening between the US and China that were actually really happening. We were fearing that perhaps Hong Kong was not going to stay completely free for 50 years like was promised. We were proven correct on that assessment. I think 23 years was as long as they were able to hold that promise.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
It wasn't shortly thereafter that we found out our supply chain issues were completely taken into a space that was very detrimental to national security issues when COVID hit. And we realized a lot of our medical supplies were stuck in supply chain conundrums that were wrapped into the China manufacturing complex.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
And then coming out of that, we started to see a real pushback from Beijing on various things that we thought they were very collaborative of that turns out they weren't. So there's a lot of things that have been exacerbating since, I would say, 2018-19. That was sort of my smack in the nose moment that I started to sense things were going the wrong direction.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
But prior to that, we thought everything was hunky-dory.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Yeah, we were late August of 2018. I'm sorry, 2019. We were in China for about 12 days. Xi'an, Chengdu, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Macau, and Beijing. So I hope I wasn't the one that brought it over initially to the U.S., but the timing was around that period. Obviously, we sort of really discovered it in December of that year.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Yeah, well, there's definitely a bottom-up, top-down part of that system where there's a lot of fear base among all the different officials, whether you're at a very local level, municipal level, provincial level, and then all the way up into central government. So no one wants to report bad news up the chain of command. Right.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
That combined with various other puzzling problems that they weren't sure that they were fully comprehending really muddied sort of the ability to tackle the problem quickly and effectively and keep it from spreading outside of the country.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Yeah. it all comes down to money, quite frankly. And what was interesting is that a moment that I think really woke up a lot of the American public to the fact that maybe we're not getting a complete straight story out of China in terms of a lot of different narratives was earlier,
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
pre-COVID in the fall of 2019, Daryl Morey, the GM of the Houston Rockets, tweeted out, fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong. And that was a tweet that he made outside of China that China heard. and immediately punish the NBA over in a way that made the NBA stumble and fumble on how to correctly respond to that and solve the issue.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
We saw Adam Silver come out and say, oh, no, no, no, no, he didn't mean that. And then Daryl Morey saying, yeah, I did. And then, oh, we protect free speech, et cetera, et cetera. But it was that moment where you saw how carefully cultivated the narrative that Beijing wants to create, both inside of their country and outside.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
I think a lot of people knew there was lots of censorship that occurs inside of that country. And a lot of us were OK with that. In fact, us in the film business, we would cut all kinds of things out of movies in order to get those things through so they could be viewed by Chinese consumers. knowing they had to be censored or being told they had to be censored. We didn't have a problem with that.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
But it was really when we saw Daryl Morey and the aftermath of that tweet around the world and the way China was dictating to the NBA what they can and can't do, where we realized, wait a minute, they're trying to control narrative outside of their borders. And they're really trying to cultivate a certain messaging about the PRC. And that led into COVID, which
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
i think a lot of us started to look at a lot of the different messaging that was coming out of beijing about the pandemic about the sourcing of it and where it was and we started noticing the pressure points they were putting on various organizations whether it was the wto or say dr fauci and the cdc here or whatever it was because there was so many people
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
so many different parties with money tied up in that country. They had no other alternative than other to listen to Beijing and do what they were telling them to do.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Well, China, it's very interesting. I mean, if you want to peel the onion back in a more macro sense, I mean, obviously you guys have studied the COVID pandemic and the controversies around various parts of that whole period of our history.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
But if you look at just sort of the macro sense of the way China tries to really control messaging and narrative, both inside their country and out, just look at the movie business. I mean, We can't put things such as criminals or drug abuse or dirty clothes on clotheslines inside Shanghai.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
We can't depict anything bad about that country in the television and films that we do, whether we want them released in China or not, because We have so much money coming from China in the Hollywood system, it's less than it used to be, but it's still there, that we're beholden to them with all content, whether it's something that's going to play in the market or not.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
So if you peel it back even further to, say, circa 1980s, when I was growing up and in junior high and high school, when somebody said to me, what do you think of when you think of the Soviet Union? I would immediately think of sort of a gray... dreary Cold War type of thriller or a gorky park or something like that. And that was the way I thought of the Soviet Union.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
I never saw it in a blue sky and people happy walking around and milling. China's trying to do the opposite. There's generations of kids that have never seen, obviously, Tank Man, the guy holding back the tanks during the Tiananmen Square June 4, 1989 episode. There's lots of kids that have never seen bad weather in China in the form of television or films. They've never seen drug use.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
They've never seen criminals. Or if they've seen criminals, they've only seen criminals get caught by the police. So eventually, China is going to look like they're the ultimate system, the utopian part of society on a global basis to everyone, because no one's going to see any of the bad that happens inside of that country the same way it would happen anywhere else in the world.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Not every country is perfect, but China wants to make it look perfect. So if you extrapolate that to COVID, you start to realize what that narrative was.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
oh so so at least the the heavy hand of china was in there you could you feel it you see it i'll give you one other example we have one other example when you're in china everything that you see on the news every part of the news anything that got information wise press wise is controlled by the ministry of propaganda
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
They don't want you to see certain things, particularly handguns or gun violence. But I happened to be there shooting Iron Man 3 late 2012 during Sandy Hook. And I'll tell you what played the whole week I was on the ground in Beijing, 24-7 on every station.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
sandy hook and the sandy hook coverage why because they wanted to make the united states look like the wild west a completely violent place with no rules or laws and people shooting each other and look at us beijing we run the best system in the world that is the way they work when it comes to manipulating narrative and they're not far off but anyway but
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
It's terrible. It's something that has affected me personally. I've been a lifelong Democrat my whole life. I did come out and vote for Trump in the last election. But I can say when my book came out, There was a lot of hesitancy from the left side of the aisle to allow me on those shows to talk about things that I experienced over 20 years working between the US and China.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
I have lots of Chinese friends. I love that country. I have a problem with Beijing. But for some reason, the narrative was, oh, he's preaching Asian hate. or he's being tough on China or ally. And, you know, that's something that the right mega side of the aisle only deals with. So it was really disheartening.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
I mean, I could do Tucker Carlson's and Laura and Bartiromo as much as possible, but CNN would never have me on. And it was really it was quite shocking to me to realize how bifurcated we were in terms of messaging and how powerful that bifurcation of messaging is.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Because as we're seeing, if you happen to just watch one side of the aisles media versus another, you're going to get completely programmed in one particular way. So a lot of times people ask me, well, how... powerful is the Ministry of Propaganda in China for influencing people in that country. I'm sure they want to uprise and overthrow the government someday, and we should help them do that.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
And I said, well, have you ever told somebody that just watches Fox all day or just watches MSNBC all day long about the other side of the equation? They won't listen to it. And that's the same thing in China. That's right.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Well, the bigger issue is that we just, without having civil discourse and the ability to look at things from different perspectives and to hear and talk about those different perspectives in a constructive environment, we're never going to be able to solve problems, needlessly say, even be able to prevent them down the road.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
I fear the fact that because of the way we've bifurcated everything and closed off other dissension or dissenting opinions in terms of the pandemic, We're actually never really going to figure out exactly what happened, sort of the way the FAA might look at the black box.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Well, we rely on so many complex components of things like iPhones that it would be hard to believe that there isn't some sort of manipulation that they're able to do. I mean, I've been heavy on lobbying to get rid of TikTok for that very reason. Obviously, that's a platform that heavily skews one side of a narrative versus another.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
We did ban it, at least in its form that it's in now, although it seems to still have some sort of
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
clingy tissue that keeps it alive um but yes i look beijing plays a game of chess they play a long-term game um you know if if israel can figure out how to let uh allah hezbollah hang on to these phones for as long as they did and then use it at the right moment when it creates that great chess move um you can guarantee beijing can do the same thing and they probably have been planning for that moment and that scares me it really does oh yeah
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Yeah, I thought that was an interesting one, though, because in a way you could argue like showing calorie count at a restaurant. You know, if you knew all this stuff was made in China, given all the issues that we have, it might start to influence people to buy more American product. So I don't know if it was something we should have shied away from.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
I think we should have embraced it and said the American people should know where these things are made.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Well, you know, there's a lot of... So say it's Chris. You know... Chris's opinion here. I think the conspiracy to me is in the, I guess, incompetency of different levels of government in China that allowed it to spread. I think there's a lot of incompetency all over the world. We've all seen it in multiple facets.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
The idea that this was some planned attack on the world and it still affected their own people, which, by the way, we have no idea the real numbers. I can tell you there's a lot of anecdotal evidence I have from people that have seen, you know, large crematoriums and lots of different sort of cults coffins ordered for certain areas of that country.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
And there's a lot of speculation that the numbers were massively bigger than anything that we heard of. But to kill your own people just to get this thing out, it seems like there's probably a better way to do it. But the incompetency around it really allowed it to spread.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
And the fact that no one here came straight with the American public saying what we were actually doing over there and why we were doing it and The problem with what we were doing, if it ever got out in the public, which it did, that was really just disheartening to a lot of us.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
All right, well, I'm not an economist, but for my book, I did study quite a bit of macroeconomics in terms of our industrial revolution, how we built it in the 1800s, and the fact that Alexander Hamilton really led that charge and created all kinds of trade protectionist policies to build our infant industries. A lot of that included
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
tech and IP theft that we did to Europe to help build our own domestic competitors to theirs, the cotton gin, various other things that we did a lot of what China's playbook today is based on. Right. So if you look at how we built our middle class, our industrial revolution, it was on the back of massive trade protectionist policies, which tariffs are a big part of.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
China over the last 40 years has taken 700 million people out of extreme poverty and put them into a middle class using that exact playbook. So if you're a case study historian, you know that A hundred something years ago or 150 years ago, we did it. It worked over the last 40 years. China has done it and it worked on a much grander scale. We can do it again because it's a proven concept.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
But we have to stick to very strong strategies and make sure that we stick with it, even with markets falling. fluctuating and various other volatility that occurs because we do need time to onshore and bring back some of that manufacturing that's important to not just national security issues, but also as manufacturing here in the US tries to rebuild itself.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Our business is in a state of massive disruption for a variety of reasons. I mean, Trump is probably the smallest part of looking at it from his trade policy. I would like personally here in California to see more production come back. Los Angeles is supposed to be the headquarters of production, and it has very little production in TV and film happening here. We offshore it.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
to new zealand to canada the the eu to eastern europe um various other countries around the world we just don't make a lot ireland uk etc so i'd love to see that brought back those are great high-paying jobs and it allows us to control narrative globally and that's really important if we want to be a world leader we got to both lead by example but we also got to
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Yeah, you keep looking for those tipping points that are maybe going to swing the pendulum back to a centrist or a constructive sort of form of government. And it seemed like even the fires might have been that. And I don't know if the fires were.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
You know, there's no way you could say it definitely wasn't. I sometimes really have a hard time believing there's enough competence to pull off something on that grand a scale. And that's involving the sacrifice of many of their own people in order to get it out. I just think...
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
There was a lot of incompetency that led to what happened and the incompetency of trying to solve the problem immediately just exacerbated everything, amplified it. And then all of the various compromised entities, people, people with money involved with various things trying to cover it up or spin a different direction. It just, it was a confederacy of dunces. Yeah.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Yeah, at the Dragon Theater is great. I'm on Instagram also, if anybody's interested. But Twitter or X is where I really like to put out my thoughts. And I really try to tie what I've learned between the U.S. and China into a lot of the issues that we have here in the U.S.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
You know, one big macro note, just believe, especially for Susan, since she's so interested in China, is a lot of people say, hey. I think preoccupied is a better word. Preoccupied.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
If you want to just think of one thing that you need to think of in terms of way Beijing makes decisions, it's all comes down to, they want to figure out how to make 1.4 billion people just happy enough that they don't revolt. There's just not enough resources on earth to make all those people happy.
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
they just want to make them happy enough that they don't have another 1989 and part of that is providing tangible things that allow them to have what they need and some of what they want and then creating a narrative that fills in the gap that they don't have
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Is It Time To Cancel mRNA? Epidemiologist Asks How Many More Warning Signs We Need w/ Nicolas Hulscher & Chris Fenton – Ask Dr. Drew – Ep 480
Thanks for having me, guys.