Chris Hayes

Even back to me, I'm laughing, but just to be honest, this is how quickly things have moved in eight years. I was running communications for Jeb Bush eight years ago. We cared if we got fact-checked. If we got a negative fact-check, we cared. Jeb cared. The campaign cared. We did not want to be fact-checked. That seems so, in some ways, kind of nice and earnest and cute, but also absurd.

Even back to me, I'm laughing, but just to be honest, this is how quickly things have moved in eight years. I was running communications for Jeb Bush eight years ago. We cared if we got fact-checked. If we got a negative fact-check, we cared. Jeb cared. The campaign cared. We did not want to be fact-checked. That seems so, in some ways, kind of nice and earnest and cute, but also absurd.

Even back to me, I'm laughing, but just to be honest, this is how quickly things have moved in eight years. I was running communications for Jeb Bush eight years ago. We cared if we got fact-checked. If we got a negative fact-check, we cared. Jeb cared. The campaign cared. We did not want to be fact-checked. That seems so, in some ways, kind of nice and earnest and cute, but also absurd.

Right. We want to have a modicum of integrity, like within the bounds of campaign discourse.

Right. We want to have a modicum of integrity, like within the bounds of campaign discourse.

Right. We want to have a modicum of integrity, like within the bounds of campaign discourse.

You get DeSantis. That was exactly what was in my head before you said it.

You get DeSantis. That was exactly what was in my head before you said it.

You get DeSantis. That was exactly what was in my head before you said it.

For comm staff, it's scary for her to do an Instagram live, but it's also no risk, no reward. There is an authentic way to get attention. It doesn't have to be. You don't have to be a total sociopath. It does help to be a shameless sociopath. That is Trump's superpower. But I hate to pick on Gretchen Whitmer, but it just it happened yesterday and I was watching her. on CBS this morning.

For comm staff, it's scary for her to do an Instagram live, but it's also no risk, no reward. There is an authentic way to get attention. It doesn't have to be. You don't have to be a total sociopath. It does help to be a shameless sociopath. That is Trump's superpower. But I hate to pick on Gretchen Whitmer, but it just it happened yesterday and I was watching her. on CBS this morning.

For comm staff, it's scary for her to do an Instagram live, but it's also no risk, no reward. There is an authentic way to get attention. It doesn't have to be. You don't have to be a total sociopath. It does help to be a shameless sociopath. That is Trump's superpower. But I hate to pick on Gretchen Whitmer, but it just it happened yesterday and I was watching her. on CBS this morning.

And my buddy Peter Hamby at Puck wrote about this. And he writes, this interview wasn't bad or embarrassing. It was just rote, cautious, and forgettable. I want to play one clip from it just to give people an example of what we're talking about.

And my buddy Peter Hamby at Puck wrote about this. And he writes, this interview wasn't bad or embarrassing. It was just rote, cautious, and forgettable. I want to play one clip from it just to give people an example of what we're talking about.

And my buddy Peter Hamby at Puck wrote about this. And he writes, this interview wasn't bad or embarrassing. It was just rote, cautious, and forgettable. I want to play one clip from it just to give people an example of what we're talking about.

I mean, that's nice. That's all nice. That's fine. That's fine. But Donald Trump is like tearing apart the government right now. And you are plausibly supposed to be one of the people running against him in 2028. Like he is shutting down all grants for any organization. He's firing people. That's a night of the long knives. And you're like, you know, we got to find some common ground right now.

I mean, that's nice. That's all nice. That's fine. That's fine. But Donald Trump is like tearing apart the government right now. And you are plausibly supposed to be one of the people running against him in 2028. Like he is shutting down all grants for any organization. He's firing people. That's a night of the long knives. And you're like, you know, we got to find some common ground right now.

I mean, that's nice. That's all nice. That's fine. That's fine. But Donald Trump is like tearing apart the government right now. And you are plausibly supposed to be one of the people running against him in 2028. Like he is shutting down all grants for any organization. He's firing people. That's a night of the long knives. And you're like, you know, we got to find some common ground right now.

I wanted to beat you to the punch.

I wanted to beat you to the punch.