Chris Hayes

The Bulwark Podcast is produced by Katie Cooper with audio engineering and editing by Jason Brown.

The Bulwark Podcast is produced by Katie Cooper with audio engineering and editing by Jason Brown.

The Bulwark Podcast is produced by Katie Cooper with audio engineering and editing by Jason Brown.

The backlash that is brewing to this experience of contemporary life is enormous. It is indeed. It is growing by the second people do not like it. And whoever figures out how to channel that – and there's going to be a million different ways. People are going to drop out. There's going to be a kind of no phones offline movement. There's going to be people that –

The backlash that is brewing to this experience of contemporary life is enormous. It is indeed. It is growing by the second people do not like it. And whoever figures out how to channel that – and there's going to be a million different ways. People are going to drop out. There's going to be a kind of no phones offline movement. There's going to be people that –

The backlash that is brewing to this experience of contemporary life is enormous. It is indeed. It is growing by the second people do not like it. And whoever figures out how to channel that – and there's going to be a million different ways. People are going to drop out. There's going to be a kind of no phones offline movement. There's going to be people that –

Try to build a new version of the non-commercial internet. The folks who are now trying to do that with a blue sky developed protocol. People are going to opt out. They're going to try to create niche businesses that block your phone. They're going to try new changes to lifestyles. They're going to try political movements that regulate attention, that take phones out of schools.

Try to build a new version of the non-commercial internet. The folks who are now trying to do that with a blue sky developed protocol. People are going to opt out. They're going to try to create niche businesses that block your phone. They're going to try new changes to lifestyles. They're going to try political movements that regulate attention, that take phones out of schools.

Try to build a new version of the non-commercial internet. The folks who are now trying to do that with a blue sky developed protocol. People are going to opt out. They're going to try to create niche businesses that block your phone. They're going to try new changes to lifestyles. They're going to try political movements that regulate attention, that take phones out of schools.

There's going to be all this stuff.

There's going to be all this stuff.

There's going to be all this stuff.

That's a great question. One is just there's more competition, so much more competition. I mean, the notion now that at every single moment when you are competing for someone's attention, you are competing against literally every piece of content ever produced.

That's a great question. One is just there's more competition, so much more competition. I mean, the notion now that at every single moment when you are competing for someone's attention, you are competing against literally every piece of content ever produced.

Like, I love this thing that happened a few years ago where like Suits, which was a network show that became like the most watched show on Netflix. And it's like, it never would have occurred to me back in 2013 that like, I might be fighting for eyeballs with someone watching Suits. But at every single moment that you are trying to get someone's attention now,

Like, I love this thing that happened a few years ago where like Suits, which was a network show that became like the most watched show on Netflix. And it's like, it never would have occurred to me back in 2013 that like, I might be fighting for eyeballs with someone watching Suits. But at every single moment that you are trying to get someone's attention now,

The totality of human content is the library of your competition. And that was definitely not true in 2000.

The totality of human content is the library of your competition. And that was definitely not true in 2000.

Pretty close. I mean, I remember a version of the Elias Sports Bureau's, like, sports baseball compendium of stats. And I just read, you know, the top 40 ERA pictures.

Pretty close. I mean, I remember a version of the Elias Sports Bureau's, like, sports baseball compendium of stats. And I just read, you know, the top 40 ERA pictures.