Chris Hayes

The backlash that is brewing to this experience of contemporary life is enormous. It is indeed. It is growing by the second people do not like it. And whoever figures out how to channel that – and there's going to be a million different ways. People are going to drop out. There's going to be a kind of no phones offline movement. There's going to be people that –

Try to build a new version of the non-commercial internet. The folks who are now trying to do that with a blue sky developed protocol. People are going to opt out. They're going to try to create niche businesses that block your phone. They're going to try new changes to lifestyles. They're going to try political movements that regulate attention, that take phones out of schools.

Try to build a new version of the non-commercial internet. The folks who are now trying to do that with a blue sky developed protocol. People are going to opt out. They're going to try to create niche businesses that block your phone. They're going to try new changes to lifestyles. They're going to try political movements that regulate attention, that take phones out of schools.

Try to build a new version of the non-commercial internet. The folks who are now trying to do that with a blue sky developed protocol. People are going to opt out. They're going to try to create niche businesses that block your phone. They're going to try new changes to lifestyles. They're going to try political movements that regulate attention, that take phones out of schools.

There's going to be all this stuff.

There's going to be all this stuff.

There's going to be all this stuff.

That's a great question. One is just there's more competition, so much more competition. I mean, the notion now that at every single moment when you are competing for someone's attention, you are competing against literally every piece of content ever produced.

That's a great question. One is just there's more competition, so much more competition. I mean, the notion now that at every single moment when you are competing for someone's attention, you are competing against literally every piece of content ever produced.

Like, I love this thing that happened a few years ago where like Suits, which was a network show that became like the most watched show on Netflix. And it's like, it never would have occurred to me back in 2013 that like, I might be fighting for eyeballs with someone watching Suits. But at every single moment that you are trying to get someone's attention now,

Like, I love this thing that happened a few years ago where like Suits, which was a network show that became like the most watched show on Netflix. And it's like, it never would have occurred to me back in 2013 that like, I might be fighting for eyeballs with someone watching Suits. But at every single moment that you are trying to get someone's attention now,

The totality of human content is the library of your competition. And that was definitely not true in 2000.

The totality of human content is the library of your competition. And that was definitely not true in 2000.

Pretty close. I mean, I remember a version of the Elias Sports Bureau's, like, sports baseball compendium of stats. And I just read, you know, the top 40 ERA pictures.

Pretty close. I mean, I remember a version of the Elias Sports Bureau's, like, sports baseball compendium of stats. And I just read, you know, the top 40 ERA pictures.

I had, like, the blue book. Blue book, right, yeah. Yeah, and you would... In some ways, right, the lack of choice forced a kind of focus. I think you and I, you know, we're roughly the same cohort. I was at the sort of front end of, like, RSS Google readers and blogs and this idea that you could synthesize an insane amount of information...

I had, like, the blue book. Blue book, right, yeah. Yeah, and you would... In some ways, right, the lack of choice forced a kind of focus. I think you and I, you know, we're roughly the same cohort. I was at the sort of front end of, like, RSS Google readers and blogs and this idea that you could synthesize an insane amount of information...

very quickly if you kind of curated it and you created processes to feed it into you. And those processes have gotten much harder and they've been totally overwhelmed by the evolution such that I now have a very hard time even figuring out what the funnel I'm trying to construct is.

very quickly if you kind of curated it and you created processes to feed it into you. And those processes have gotten much harder and they've been totally overwhelmed by the evolution such that I now have a very hard time even figuring out what the funnel I'm trying to construct is.

So if you think about labor, right, labor long predates labor. labor as a wage commodity in the industrial revolution, right? Human beings did stuff with their effort and toil from the time that they essentially evolved, right? Like if you're hunting, gathering, picking berries, that's work.