Chris Hipkins

I got the full support of everybody.

That was a real moment.

And I probably wasn't as prepared for it because up until before Christmas, and bearing in mind I became Prime Minister just after Christmas, it wasn't even on my radar or something that I would have put my hand up to do.

I loved the job, but I was still, let's be clear, I was still kind of learning the job when the election rolled around and then we lost the election.

So I'll know, you know, if we win the next election, that's my goal.

I'll know a lot more about what to expect.

I'll be much better prepared for it than I was last time.

Yeah, we live in an age of rage.

And the way we consume information has changed so much in the last few years.

And I think the right have adapted to that far better than the left.

So the right wing election campaign now is all about making people angry.

And so if you look at what they do, they make people angry and they exploit that anger for their political purposes.

On the left, we haven't yet developed, and this is not just in New Zealand, it's around the world, we haven't developed enough of a strong antidote to that.

So if you go back to what we were trying to do in our last government, we talked a lot about kindness in our last government, and that's almost been weaponised against us.

How is it that...

Talking about being kind to people has now become something that people on the right of the political spectrum sneer at the idea that you would be kind to people.

I think it should be a big part of the political mission for whoever is in government that you should show compassion and kindness towards other people.

And if you're not...

you know sharing those values why are you getting into politics in the first place because if you're not you know showing shyness you know kindness and compassion ultimately you just focused on self-interest and that's not what politics should be about so i think our goal you know on the left of the political spectrum is to show new zealanders that there is a way forward that involves us bringing people together what what are you guys going to do different

We'll do a lot different.