Chris Hipkins

So if you're dealing with, and you know this because this is the area that you work in, if you're dealing with really vulnerable families and you're only getting funding sort of six months, 12 months at a time, it's hard to actually do the things that are really going to be transformational for them.

That's right.

So you need some longer-term funding certainty.

So for me, that's number one priority.

For all of those small community groups we work with, is let's actually just have some longer-term funding contracts.

That would be a really good place to start.

And they should be outcome-focused, not output-focused.

So rather than saying you'll deliver this many food parcels or whatever, you actually have some outcomes that are around the people who you're working with and the sort of outcome we're looking for.

And then give you the money,

So values matter in politics.

How you apply those values changes.

So you look at the Labour Party's history, we've always been about supporting the most vulnerable.

We've always been about providing opportunity.

We've always been about making sure that hard work

actually gets rewarded and people can create a better life through their own hard work.

So you look at our track record on that, because what works in 2035 isn't going to be the same as what worked in 1935 when the first Labour government was elected.

It's going to be different, but the values are still the same.

So those values of caring, the values of empathy and kindness, they still really matter.

Yeah, it is.

And we live in a different world now.