Chris Kline

The lawyers fixed the price at the moment when the fraud happened.

So I think Bitcoin was at whatever dollar amount.

So now you weren't getting back your Bitcoin.

You were getting back dollars to replace the Bitcoin or ETH that you had lost in the fraud.

So if you're really an investor, you're like, okay, I made whole on what I lost technically.

But if I still had that Bitcoin and was selling it today, I'm definitely down, right?

I'm definitely down from that.

But that's like the Madoff.

I mean, Madoff didn't.

They didn't pay back everybody what happened with Madoff.

Yeah.

While I don't applaud what happened, and I think that was a blemish on our record as crypto guys, because we all pay for it, right?

Just like what you do for a living.

If somebody goes out there and puts a bunch of bad information online, it hurts all of us, right?

Same too with crypto.

If one bad actor hurts all the good actors that are out there as well.

I'm sure you lost a lot of clients around that time, right?

There's a resiliency to long-term hodlers in retirement.

What I actually noticed was the waves of my family's interaction with me.

In 2017, it was...