Chris Mason

And then lots of his critics said that shows you completely out of touch with the jeopardy you're in, to use the word that you used with him.

And actually, he's given a much more nuanced, kind of more humble human answer today.

Yeah, I think that's right.

And I think had chosen to absolutely, and maybe this helps with the longer interview, engage with the substance of the question as opposed to, which I think didn't help him in that interview he did with Rachel Sylvester of The Observer, I think, if I recall rightly, immediately after the local and devolved elections, where he used the formulation he's used a lot about a decade of national renewal,

which immediately points to 10 years.

At just the point that some in the party are wondering if he'd last 10 weeks or even 10 days.

So yeah, maybe there was a bit of that as well.

Right.

We've talked about the interview for probably actually longer than the interview itself was, which tells you something about the media in 2026.

Anything else you'd like to add that we've not covered?

Well, I would say, I mean, as ever, newscaster, you've used stamina to get this far.

But I would really encourage, I've been trying to say this to various bits of BBC output, that it's much better to listen to the whole interview than listen to me talking about it.

So if you've got a long dog walk, actually not a long dog walk, 20 minutes is fine.

Or you're milking the cows, as we were discussing the other day.

It's a perfect soundtrack to milking the cows or taking the bins out a few times.

It depends how long your driveway is.

It takes 22 minutes to get there.

Doing the hoovering or whatever.

I would be delighted to be your company.

Did you discuss the football with him?