Chris Mason

I've been meandering ever since.

Yes, so let's leave it there.

Chris, thank you very much.

And as Chris said, his full 22-minute-ish chat with Keir Starmer.

I keep saying 22 minutes.

is it 22 I think it is 22 minutes I don't know how long is it I mean it goes by in a flash is available on the newscast feed so if you go back one episode you'll be able to listen to the whole thing Chris have a good weekend and you too cheers and Paddy and Co will be back with newscast over the weekend see you then bye bye newscast newscast from the BBC

It's close between both of you in the polls and I want you to win.

What you want Andy Burnham to do?

I do.

Everybody wants him to go.

We can't stand him, actually.

But he's not for the people anyway.

Just say what you really think.

Well, yeah, because he's not for the people.

He doesn't listen.

That's his downfall.

And it's Alex in the Newscast Studio.

I think what that body cam footage did was just prompt this really intense debate and what feels like quite a moment, actually, where there are two streams of thought.

One is about the police, what the police do, what the police did, how the police go about their business.

The separate one has been about the way people respond to a moment like this when the country, in large part, probably at this point, has watched that footage and whatever their reaction, it's going to pale into comparison with