Chris Mason

I'm going to bank that.

Another Spice Girls reference?

From the likes of... Is it?

Yeah, they had a song called Hollow.

Did they?

Anyway.

Anyway.

And I did.

Sorry.

I did send us off down these times.

Yeah.

But what we had at the heart of what the prime minister and those coming out making those arguments, at the heart of that, what you had was a tactical play, if you like, by Downing Street, who are clearly in a...

desperate, perilous position, but saying to West Streeting and others, can I put up or shut up?

You know what the rules are.

You need 81 people to sign up to a campaign for a leadership challenge, and if you've got those numbers, show us them, and then there'd be a contest.

But in the absence of that, there isn't a contest, so we'll crack on, is the argument that's being made.

And I think for West Streeting, it's a really kind of crucial...

Crossroads this, you know, if he goes for it, then the prize is the premiership.

If he doesn't, then does it pass by?

But then if he does, there's also, of course, a jeopardy, a risk that things kind of go wrong and you blow up your political career.