Chris Stokel-Walker

And one of the things that this legal expert that I spoke to said is they worry about the consequences of this on any charity that tries to set up funding.

after the fact, because it's a massive disincentive to fund these sorts of things.

If you believe that actually turns out someone can come around 5, 10, 20 years later, change the whole basis of the company, and then you don't get a penny from it.

Well, capitalism always ruins everything, Susan, is the first thing that's important to say.

The second thing, I think you mentioned Microsoft here, and one of the sort of really interesting wrinkles of this trial is that we are learning just how good Satya Nadella is as an executive of a real big business.

You're learning the difference in this trial between the men and the boys.

Satya Nadella, none of his embarrassing texts have surfaced because he doesn't send them.

He chooses instead to transact his business through phone calls, which then cannot be discovered through legal processes and presented to the world through a trial.

But in terms of that founding principle of OpenAI, I think it depends on who you ask out of those founding individuals.

Because

For Elon Musk, I believe that he probably really thought he was doing something for the benefit of humanity.

Now, that's in part because Elon Musk has a bit of a God complex.

And one of the things that's really interesting about this trial is the disconnect between the way that Elon Musk sees himself and his impact on the world and the way that pretty much everybody else, apart from perhaps some of his most ardent hangers-on on X, see him.

Then you have Sam Altman.

Now, Sam Altman, you know,

always been questions around him.

He's a little bit of an interesting character, a mover, a shaker, made an awful lot of money in the sort of venture capital world.

We already had lots of reporting about the fact that he wasn't seen as enormously trustworthy anyway.

I think that's been reinforced.

And so you have to maybe question his motives behind this because he wasn't an AI developer, bear in mind.