Chris Sullivan

I'm glad that he doesn't have to deal with this woman as a mother, et cetera.

Like the sort of, what you were saying?

Self-pity, shame.

there's the pity but like the idea like the conclusions that we automatically jump to about who someone is because what they are going through at the present right right we feel like they've always been yeah yeah yeah yeah and so she they do take her to jail and then what is the reason why she can't stay even in pittsburgh that ultimately she has to go full yeah yeah yeah the prisons were overcrowded because she was sent to california

And so she goes to jail in California.

How many years was she?

Five years.

Five years for like, was it possession?

Possession.

Five years.

Yeah.

So then after five years, she's left with like, where do I go?

Yeah.

Who do I call?

And she goes back to her aunt and doesn't even tell her parents.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

And you see her having these conversations with her aunt about like,

Like, can I even go find my son?

Like I failed, you know, just sort of feeling all kinds of shame, just coding everything.