Chris Voss

If you're a narcissist, does that help you or hurt you?

Everybody's a narcissist.

Everybody you don't like is a narcissist.

But also the interesting thing about psychology is each individual person is way more complicated than the category psychology tries to create.

And there's something about the human brain.

The moment you classify somebody as a narcissist or depressed or bipolar or insane in any kind of way, for some reason you give yourself a convenient excuse not to see them as a complicated human being, to empathize with them.

I had that when I was talking to, I did an interview with Kanye West, and then there's a lot of popular opinions about him being mentally unwell and so on.

And I felt that that kind of way of thinking is a very convenient way of thinking, to ignore the fact that he's a human being that, again, wants to be understood and heard.

And that's the only way you can have that conversation.

That's right.

I feel so close to you now.

It might be because I'm not wearing pants.

All right.

You're funnier than I am.

That bothers me.

All right.

I'll say something stupid soon.

Don't worry about it.

But you said we were talking about terrorists and not negotiating with terrorists.

We're Alice in Wonderland right now.