Chris Voss

They can shut down the planes. They can shut down your bank. They can shut down the railroads. That's a different type of negotiation. It's kind of like you're a hostage to them because you can't run the business without it. I mean, the government's been... Those are the same dynamics as an overseas kidnapping.

They can shut down the planes. They can shut down your bank. They can shut down the railroads. That's a different type of negotiation. It's kind of like you're a hostage to them because you can't run the business without it. I mean, the government's been... Those are the same dynamics as an overseas kidnapping.

And if you pay, they still got something in there that they could just... I've heard of people paying and then one month later they ask for another... Because they paid too easy. They didn't negotiate the agreement up front. So obviously they shut you down every minute counts. You're out of capacity. They proven they could shut you down. You're shut down. How do you move quickly on that?

And if you pay, they still got something in there that they could just... I've heard of people paying and then one month later they ask for another... Because they paid too easy. They didn't negotiate the agreement up front. So obviously they shut you down every minute counts. You're out of capacity. They proven they could shut you down. You're shut down. How do you move quickly on that?

What's the right way to be thinking about if your whole business is inoperable?

What's the right way to be thinking about if your whole business is inoperable?

I know that cybersecurity, interesting fact, covers up to 30 million. So if I were on the opposite end of being the bad guy, I would probably say 30 million would be the number I'm going for, knowing it's insured.

I know that cybersecurity, interesting fact, covers up to 30 million. So if I were on the opposite end of being the bad guy, I would probably say 30 million would be the number I'm going for, knowing it's insured.

Is the FBI pretty good in CIA? I guess if it's international, I guess FBI works internationally. Are they pretty good about recovering? Because it's gotten pretty crazy with Bitcoin and these different things to track this stuff. I've heard of a lot of stuff that it's almost impossible to track.

Is the FBI pretty good in CIA? I guess if it's international, I guess FBI works internationally. Are they pretty good about recovering? Because it's gotten pretty crazy with Bitcoin and these different things to track this stuff. I've heard of a lot of stuff that it's almost impossible to track.

I love this stuff. I could do this all day. When people want to get a hold of you, Chris, what's the best way to do that?

I love this stuff. I could do this all day. When people want to get a hold of you, Chris, what's the best way to do that?

Okay, so we got that. We'll have that in the show notes. We could get your – so Tuesday, what else is available on there? More training you could sign up for?

Okay, so we got that. We'll have that in the show notes. We could get your – so Tuesday, what else is available on there? More training you could sign up for?

Okay.

Okay.

And any books out there, something you recently read, obviously there's, you know, there's the go-tos, but is there anything like kind of uncommon that you read recently that you'd say, this is amazing reading?

And any books out there, something you recently read, obviously there's, you know, there's the go-tos, but is there anything like kind of uncommon that you read recently that you'd say, this is amazing reading?

Oh, I love this stuff. Last final question is, we talked about a lot of stuff, and I'm such a big fan of yours. Like, we're going to implement a lot of these things. We talked about a lot. Is there anything we didn't talk about? Any final thoughts? I'll give you the stage to finish this up.

Oh, I love this stuff. Last final question is, we talked about a lot of stuff, and I'm such a big fan of yours. Like, we're going to implement a lot of these things. We talked about a lot. Is there anything we didn't talk about? Any final thoughts? I'll give you the stage to finish this up.