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Chris Whipple

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Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

But Susie Wiles was just really emphatic about the fact that they just couldn't believe how ineffective Harris was and never doubted they were going to win.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

Well, let me start on the plus side when it comes to Susie Wiles. First of all, her relationship with Trump is absolutely fascinating. And she has a certain magic with him. And I think it goes back to the fact that she's the daughter of Pat Summerall, the famous sportscaster who struggled with alcoholism. And Susie Wiles knows something about handling difficult men.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

Well, let me start on the plus side when it comes to Susie Wiles. First of all, her relationship with Trump is absolutely fascinating. And she has a certain magic with him. And I think it goes back to the fact that she's the daughter of Pat Summerall, the famous sportscaster who struggled with alcoholism. And Susie Wiles knows something about handling difficult men.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

Well, let me start on the plus side when it comes to Susie Wiles. First of all, her relationship with Trump is absolutely fascinating. And she has a certain magic with him. And I think it goes back to the fact that she's the daughter of Pat Summerall, the famous sportscaster who struggled with alcoholism. And Susie Wiles knows something about handling difficult men.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

But that's another story to talk about now. I think that on the one hand, this is not Trump 1.0. The Trump White House is no longer a battlefield of backstabbers and leakers. And there's not anything like the drama that happened during Trump's first term. And that's largely because of Susie Wiles. She has a kind of magic with Trump that none of her predecessors had.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

But that's another story to talk about now. I think that on the one hand, this is not Trump 1.0. The Trump White House is no longer a battlefield of backstabbers and leakers. And there's not anything like the drama that happened during Trump's first term. And that's largely because of Susie Wiles. She has a kind of magic with Trump that none of her predecessors had.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

But that's another story to talk about now. I think that on the one hand, this is not Trump 1.0. The Trump White House is no longer a battlefield of backstabbers and leakers. And there's not anything like the drama that happened during Trump's first term. And that's largely because of Susie Wiles. She has a kind of magic with Trump that none of her predecessors had.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

Remember Reince Priebus and John Kelly, Mick Mulvaney. You know, he went through chiefs of staff at a rapid clip. I think Susie Wiles is going to be there for a while because he trusts her. On the minus side of the ledger, you're right.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

Remember Reince Priebus and John Kelly, Mick Mulvaney. You know, he went through chiefs of staff at a rapid clip. I think Susie Wiles is going to be there for a while because he trusts her. On the minus side of the ledger, you're right.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

Remember Reince Priebus and John Kelly, Mick Mulvaney. You know, he went through chiefs of staff at a rapid clip. I think Susie Wiles is going to be there for a while because he trusts her. On the minus side of the ledger, you're right.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

The most important part of the White House chief of staff's job is walking into the Oval Office, closing the door and telling the president what he doesn't want to hear. Now, you know, I've talked to Susie Weil since she's been in this job a number of times. She says that she has fought these battles with him.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

The most important part of the White House chief of staff's job is walking into the Oval Office, closing the door and telling the president what he doesn't want to hear. Now, you know, I've talked to Susie Weil since she's been in this job a number of times. She says that she has fought these battles with him.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

The most important part of the White House chief of staff's job is walking into the Oval Office, closing the door and telling the president what he doesn't want to hear. Now, you know, I've talked to Susie Weil since she's been in this job a number of times. She says that she has fought these battles with him.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

One of them was in the case of the pardoning, doing a blanket pardon of the January 6th insurrectionists. I said to her, did it ever occur to you to say to the president, wait a minute, maybe we should take a look at these one by one instead of a sweeping list? get out of jail free card? And she said, yes, that's exactly the conversation I had with him. I lost that argument.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

One of them was in the case of the pardoning, doing a blanket pardon of the January 6th insurrectionists. I said to her, did it ever occur to you to say to the president, wait a minute, maybe we should take a look at these one by one instead of a sweeping list? get out of jail free card? And she said, yes, that's exactly the conversation I had with him. I lost that argument.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

One of them was in the case of the pardoning, doing a blanket pardon of the January 6th insurrectionists. I said to her, did it ever occur to you to say to the president, wait a minute, maybe we should take a look at these one by one instead of a sweeping list? get out of jail free card? And she said, yes, that's exactly the conversation I had with him. I lost that argument.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

Well, she's lost a lot of battles. And so that suggests that you should You know, this is going to be a long, rough road for her. And I'll add one other thing she said, which is particularly timely at the moment. She told me that there were a bunch of, as she put it, tariff zealots running around in the Trump White House. And we have certainly seen the result of that in recent days.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

Well, she's lost a lot of battles. And so that suggests that you should You know, this is going to be a long, rough road for her. And I'll add one other thing she said, which is particularly timely at the moment. She told me that there were a bunch of, as she put it, tariff zealots running around in the Trump White House. And we have certainly seen the result of that in recent days.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

Well, she's lost a lot of battles. And so that suggests that you should You know, this is going to be a long, rough road for her. And I'll add one other thing she said, which is particularly timely at the moment. She told me that there were a bunch of, as she put it, tariff zealots running around in the Trump White House. And we have certainly seen the result of that in recent days.

Fresh Air
The 'Fog Of Delusion' In Biden's Inner Circle

Well, it really is the second most powerful job in government. And that was my principal takeaway when I wrote the book back in 2017. He's critical because every president learns sometimes the hard way that you cannot govern effectively without empowering a chief of staff as first among equals to, number one, execute your agenda.