Chris Williamson

And like they're choosing who's most dominant, who's the coolest of all of that.

And I remember him coming home and he's really down about it.

And he was like, they didn't, I played, but nobody used me.

Like, in other words, he didn't get thrown to in that game that really, he was like, is that like, I'm sorry.

And he was like apologizing to me.

And I had to, I mean, like this was dad moment right here.

I could have been like, yeah, next time I want you to go ahead and elbow a kid.

I was like, dude, my was bigger than that.

You're good.

You don't have to have any of that.

And I think that's the kind of model of things that more men can do.

The one that I like to use, and it's going to sound cheesy, but it works, I promise, is if we're not okay, then nothing's okay.

Like it's, if you and I aren't okay, like this is why I say this to my wife.

If we're not okay, then nothing's okay.

In other words, it's really easy to go, we're fine, we're fine.

And then just all of a sudden focus on the kids or finances or whatever it is.

And it's easy to kind of switch over to getting busy with something else and it gets swept under the rug.

you miss that chance.

Then it becomes this little bitty paper cut and then you'll have another little paper cut and you have another little paper cut.

And so eventually those become big ruptures over time.