Chris Williamson

Ignaz Sammelweis, like 1840s, he realizes that doctors are transmitting childbed fever from corpses to mothers because they're not washing their hands.

So he begs his colleagues to start adopting hand washing and he gets mocked by academia.

He dies in an asylum.

He dies in an asylum.

That's how badly he's treated.

Germ theory of disease gets a couple of decades later gets proven.

Edward Snowden, who you've spoken to, like some people saw him as a traitor.

Some people saw him as a truth teller.

But I think everybody had a bit of really, is that what's going on?

A few years later, it turns out, yeah, the government is spying on you.

Yeah, 100%.

And this Cassandra complex... So if somebody ever says, I'm a Cassandra, I'm feeling like Cassandra today.

I foresee this thing.

You don't.

You're not listening to me.

It's a big deal.

And the problem is the difference between somebody being a righteous Cassandra with the ability to see the future and just being a crazy person who's being convinced by bad data or perverse incentives...

It's very hard to work out which one you are.

Perverse incentives is the real word, because here's the thing, folks.

We do have a horrible impact on the environment.