Christiana

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

Have you been to a park recently, Trevor?

Have you been to a park recently, Trevor?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, so... I understand what you're both saying, Rutger, Trevor.

Okay, so... I understand what you're both saying, Rutger, Trevor.

Like, Rutger, I mean, I objected to your work because you don't like Hobbes, and I agree with Hobbes. I have a very, like, dismal view of human nature.

Like, Rutger, I mean, I objected to your work because you don't like Hobbes, and I agree with Hobbes. I have a very, like, dismal view of human nature.

The old British philosopher. I have a Leviathan poster in my bedroom. No, but I think, and maybe it's... I think actually becoming a parent has probably deepened my... not pessimism, it's fear. That's where I'm speaking from. And a lot of people have this genuine fear of other human beings, of systems, of institutions right now.

The old British philosopher. I have a Leviathan poster in my bedroom. No, but I think, and maybe it's... I think actually becoming a parent has probably deepened my... not pessimism, it's fear. That's where I'm speaking from. And a lot of people have this genuine fear of other human beings, of systems, of institutions right now.

And I think a pronounced version of that is like the Trump voter who's like, I want the wall. I don't want immigrants. Or it's like a mother like myself who like doesn't believe in sleepovers because I'm like, I don't want my kid getting molested. And everyone's like to me, you're crazy. And I'm like, well, child molesters everywhere. They're like, are they really? But like,

And I think a pronounced version of that is like the Trump voter who's like, I want the wall. I don't want immigrants. Or it's like a mother like myself who like doesn't believe in sleepovers because I'm like, I don't want my kid getting molested. And everyone's like to me, you're crazy. And I'm like, well, child molesters everywhere. They're like, are they really? But like,

I think for a lot of people who are afraid for valid reasons or, you know, you'll read the newspaper and they'll say crime is down. But, like, people feel like crime is up. Like, women won't jog in a park at night, you know.

I think for a lot of people who are afraid for valid reasons or, you know, you'll read the newspaper and they'll say crime is down. But, like, people feel like crime is up. Like, women won't jog in a park at night, you know.

So it's really hard, I think, for myself and for a lot of people to reconcile this idea of, like, a good world and people being kind with, like, your lived experience, I guess. And I think as a parent, I feel that acutely because I'm, like, everywhere I go, I, like, grab my kids' hands, right?

So it's really hard, I think, for myself and for a lot of people to reconcile this idea of, like, a good world and people being kind with, like, your lived experience, I guess. And I think as a parent, I feel that acutely because I'm, like, everywhere I go, I, like, grab my kids' hands, right?

Yeah. I think what I'm struggling with is I grew up in a very like communal culture. So there was a lot of trust with like... Leave your baby outside. Leaving your baby at people's houses and you're like, I have to work. I do the night shift. I'm going to come pick up my kid when I can. Like it's that type of culture.

Yeah. I think what I'm struggling with is I grew up in a very like communal culture. So there was a lot of trust with like... Leave your baby outside. Leaving your baby at people's houses and you're like, I have to work. I do the night shift. I'm going to come pick up my kid when I can. Like it's that type of culture.