Christina Ellis

We've had some really motivated people calling today wanting to pay off houses, which I love that.

I don't want to put any water on that fire at all.

But I do feel in that scenario, that's just a little bit too far.

Well, and my husband's retired police.

He was a police officer for 17 years, detective, did all sorts of roles.

I've heard way too many stories and way too many crazy things that have happened in safe areas, supposedly safe areas.

So and just even beyond that, like we want people to be gazelle intense and baby step to you.

But when you're in four through six, we're wanting you to be intentional.

And there's just a lot of ripple effects, even just to your ego, to your well-being, to being able to have people over to just different things when you live in your car and you're technically homeless.

Like that's just that's just not where we want you to be.

We want you to be intentional.

Now, on the flip side of that, if you want to find a really cheap way to live, that's great.

Yeah, I am all about like seven or eight roommates.

Plus you'll stink.

Well, Ken, we took a call a few months ago from a guy who had $150,000 in student loan debt, and he was a pastor.

Yeah, good luck.

And he literally called us, and his wife was about to go on labor.

It was just, man, it was devastating because it was like, that was not a good choice.

We love that you're a pastor.

That is amazing.