Christina Ellis

But he also has legitimate reasons for being a little bit nervous about this.

Was that during the phase where debt was racking up?

Yeah.

And if this stuff isn't OK, your marriage isn't OK.

Like even just with Ken asking the question of like, how is your marriage outside?

Like, it's not OK if this isn't OK, because this is just like a symptom.

There's distrust.

There's all of these different things going on.

And I'm right there with you.

You need a counselor.

And I think in this process, like you're both going to have to really be humble.

Like, I think you both have your fists up and you guys, you're defensive and you're cautious and you're distrusting.

And it's like this for this to win for you all to win with your money.

Like it's going to take humility with both of you.

You both are gonna go, we've both done things wrong.

Like we're both wrong.

We both have made mistakes.

We both have been distrusting and let's forgive what's happened.

Obviously work through it with a counselor, but at some point you will have to reach a spot where you say, I forgive you and he forgives you.

And then you go, let's start from here.