Christopher Ems

He didn't go into any of the interrogations with the FBI with a lawyer.

And he voluntarily gave them his mobile phone, which just basically allowed them to skew the evidence in their favor without him having any kind of defense.

And meeting Virgil in the short time I did, he's clearly someone that isn't on the same wavelength as you and I, and that's probably what makes him a brilliant academic.

At the same time, you know, caused a massive mess that I think could have easily been defended in a court of law if you hadn't given the prosecutor all of the anything that they could.

You know, you deal with this all the time, Jack, when you speak to incarcerated people.

I think, you know, a lot of time people, especially in the US, you know, and because that's been part of my life for such a long time now.

researching it.

There's so many people that I believe to be innocent that have basically been naive when they've gone into an initial interrogation with law enforcement, not realizing that they're not your friend and that they're targeted just to incarcerate you and get a prosecution.

So I think that was really what happened in this case.

So I said to the lawyer, I said, look, go to them again and ask them if they want to speak.

So he goes to the FBI and said, they don't want to speak and this is where it gets really interesting, right?

So he goes, but I've got a friend of mine who used to be a prosecutor in the Southern District.

You can engage him and I think that he can get them to talk.

So I'm like, okay.

So we have this call with this guy and he goes, yeah, I've just left the Southern District.

I was a prosecutor.

I know the two prosecutors on this case.

Send me X thousands of dollars and we'll have a chat and we'll make sure you're all okay.

I go, okay, let's do it.

Why not?