Chuck Bryan

Like that ball of foil.

That's right.

There's another variation called defensive pessimism.

I like this one.

I mean, this isn't really me, but I think there's a lot of validity here in that if you have lower expectations and you're sort of planning for the worst, that's almost the same as being optimistic in a way as far as it helping you in life, because it can really help manage your anxiety and

It can make you feel like you have some sense of control and you're not, you know, like during covid, they found that if you were a defensive pessimist, then that correlated with taking more precautions and being safer and I guess being healthier.

Yeah, if you ever put two words together to describe me, it's defensive pessimist.

Yeah.

For sure.

I can see that.

And I think there's no greater description than this, but defensive pessimists don't focus as much on pursuing happiness.

They focus more on avoiding regret.

Yeah.

Which is, I mean, they can still have the same outcome, but it's what you're chasing is different.

You're avoiding a negative outcome rather than pursuing a positive outcome, but the outcome's still the same.

You succeeded.

Because you're pursuing something.

Yeah, you're actually you're it's based on the idea that you can change your fate.

Right.

Like you can take actions to affect this outcome and make it as close to the outcome you want as possible.