Chuck Bryant

We have to go through that experience.

It's part of the recall.

Right.

The E stands for empathy.

This is one that is, I don't know about controversial, but it's not everyone agrees at all on whether or not you need to actually have empathy to forgive.

But empathy can certainly help you forgive if someone has broken into your home and stolen from you.

It might help to forgive them to empathize and think about

where they may be in their life to feel like they needed to do something like that is one example.

Yeah, and he points out also, like, you're not excusing their behavior, but you're just thinking about them beyond just a villain or criminal or a person who wronged you, for sure.

And actually, we should say Everett Worthington had to put his money where his mouth was because his mother was actually murdered by a burglar, I think, back in 1997.

And he put himself through this, the reach method, and he said he came out on the other side better off than he had been.

And I think he was already doing this, right?

That didn't inspire his career, did it?

No, no.

I think he was already doing it, coincidentally.

Wow.

The ironies.

So the A stands for altruistic gift.

And the point of this is that you realize that you are actually giving a gift to

By forgiving somebody, even, I guess, if you don't tell them, even if you don't necessarily empathize with them.