Chuck Bryant

And he was a whiz at it, so he excelled at psyops himself.

And he took a different view of things.

He said normally that when people think about psyops conventionally, they're talking about dropping leaflets that try to demoralize the enemy, maybe using like a Tokyo Rose type to talk about how GI's girlfriends are hooking up with other guys back home.

Right.

But those are psyops and they're really kind of a low hanging fruit.

What Lansdale was doing was really trying to dig into the local culture to figure out how to turn that culture's beliefs and superstitions against it to win the war.

Yeah, and I'm not sure if the hawks were actually, like, communist.

or if they were just labeled as communist insurgents to help drum up public support against them.

Because they really were this revered infantry that really helped get the Japanese out of the Philippines.

And the U.S.

troops even fought alongside of them.

But after they broke with this American-backed administration—

They were persona non grata.

They had to be gotten rid of because they weren't just like protesting.

They were carrying out a guerrilla war to try to overthrow this U.S.-backed regime, I guess.

No, not like today.

By the way, since we're talking about the CIA, I have another show recommendation for you.

It's called The Agency Colon Central Intelligence.

It's a really stupid name, but it is a really well done, suspenseful, but also really dramatic show.

show it's michael fosbender richard dear does it like i've never seen him act like he is in this one um jeffrey wright it's just this really great great show it's a great cast everybody does wonderfully even the people i've never heard of before everybody does great you know what we should do we should do a little 15 minute show once a week where we recommend stuff to people