Chuck Klosterman

It's like a guy climbing Mount Everest.

You know, that may be like the like the apex of his life and the apex of mountains or whatever.

It's like he wants to do this.

It will give his life sort of meaning.

He doesn't want to die climbing that mountain.

But if there was no chance that he could die, it's not a meaningful thing.

Football in some ways is more meaningful, not because that, you know, guys get hurt, but because they could and they know it.

And we all know it.

We're all sort of complicit in this understanding.

Every cultural issue is really a technology idea and every social issue is really an economic idea.

If football recedes from the culture or kind of becomes this niche thing, and I think that – I feel like that will happen at one point, I think it's going to be for economic reasons because that's really what creates social change.

It's always money in some way.

But like when we're talking about art, it's often the technology that really does it.

Even though we don't think of that, we don't want to think that it's the – like podcasting is a great example of this.

Part of the reason podcasting kind of –

usurped what used to be the magazine world is the ease in doing it.

People would have maybe liked the more passive experience of listening to people talk as opposed to the active experience of reading it if that would have been an easy thing to do.

But all it was was like talk radio.

That was the only option.

And it would have been impossible for you, I think, say if it was 1995, for you to do what you do and become a sports talk radio host.