Chuck Klosterman

What I wanted to do and what it ended up being is...

Well, I don't care, really.

I mean, a little bit, I guess, but not in a big, you know, it is very interesting how the world is now.

Like, you know, when that book Abundance came out last year?

Okay.

Yeah.

Now that seems like a book I would read, right?

I never did read it.

Although I feel completely informed about it because I heard it on podcasts like nine different times.

Like sometimes I think that the way things work now is you write a nonfiction book and, you know, maybe 150,000 people read it, but most people experience it through this, through these kind of like these ancillary moments of people discussing the book.

So I understand that there are people listening to this podcast who I think would be prime people to buy this, and they probably won't.

They'll be like, I just don't, I don't buy books anymore.

It's really hard to sell books to men particularly.

So if you want to talk about specifics of the book, that's fine.

I don't mind.

You know, it's an interesting thing.

Like, okay, so there's this belief that like nobody reads anymore.

Now, I don't think that's actually true.

In a weird way, I think people might be reading more than they ever had in their life because they're constantly staring at their phone.

What they're not reading are books.